2015-12-06-minutes.md (7807B)
1 Sunday, Dec. 6, 20:00 UTC 2 3 discussion: https://github.com/valueflows/valueflows/issues/42 4 5 ### Agenda 6 7 1. How do we relate to the Collaborative Technology Alliance? 8 9 2. Understand how we want to think about using existing vocabularies. (Actually, this is more like if we want to start getting the agent and relationship vocab out there, what else do we need to do to it?) 10 11 3. Update/demo of Mikey's linked data app? 12 13 4. Can we develop more of a roadmap? (Paul Mackey's suggestion in gitter chat) 14 15 5. Nail down and document work flow. 16 17 6. How to make it easier for people to figure out how to contribute? 18 19 7. List, explain, and feature our current bits of running code and round trips somewhere prominent, and keep it up to date. For example: 20 * [Holodex](https://github.com/open-app/holodex) 21 * [Linked Data Browser](https://github.com/valueflows/linked-data-browser) 22 * Lynn's [NRP LOD agents](http://nrp.webfactional.com/api/agent-jsonld/) round trips to [Valdev LOD agent query](http://valdev.webfactional.com/api/agent-jsonld-query/) and to LDB 23 * [Personator](https://github.com/holodex/personator) can round trip to LDB if run thru rawgit (Personator shd add CORS headers) 24 25 ### Hangout chat, slightly cleaned up: 26 27 Present: 28 * Lynn Foster 29 * Bob Haugen 30 * Paul Mackay 31 * elf Pavlik 32 * Michael Williams 33 34 Checkins: 35 Mikey: 36 * lotta things going on, trying to keep up 37 * New contract project 38 * More people on board "this kind of thinking" (ask later) 39 40 Bob: 41 * lots of fun in CTA in hylo 42 * doing some work on NRP 43 * thinking a lot about where this stuff goes and how to communicate it 44 * directions: 45 * connecting pieces of existing software; 46 * new apps that are VF native apps, built for this environment 47 48 Lynn: 49 * mostly working on NRP, but related to VF: the exchange model. Rip it up, put it back together. 50 * Transfers and exchanges like elf wants (she thinks). 51 * Invisible now, will surface soon, 52 * major surgery 53 * All good! 54 55 Paul: 56 * Getting involved. 57 * See if it's a fit with our projects. 58 * Also involved with transformap. 59 * Exploring, figuring out how to help out. 60 61 elf: 62 * giving papers, 63 * preparing tallk for API days, 64 * then to Berlin for food networks, 65 * might meet Tibor in Paris, 66 * did hack in Polymer and Cordova that tracks sports, puts on map 67 * then going to Mexico City 68 * Lynn asks: if elf meets Tibor, ask him if he can respond to her emails, but elf says Tibor will be busy moving. 69 70 Agenda: 71 * Priorities: 72 * CTA question better in hangout, some others offline. 73 * Roadmap 74 * LDB 404 agenda item to be done Offline. 75 * How do we relate to CTA? 76 * started with Mikey chatting in Slack with Connor and Edward and Chloe 77 * They want to know how they can relate to VF. 78 79 Bob: 80 * Possibly: Intents 81 * it is an overlap, unclear where/how to work on it together 82 83 Mikey: 84 * They want to get a vision of interoperability 85 * aiming for easy win 86 * trying to figure it out 87 * also needing to balance all of what they are working on 88 * trying to get everyone together 89 * Mikey recommendation: 90 * approach 1. what is ultimate, and 91 * approach 2. what are easy wins 92 * suggestion of easy win: import/export profiles and groups 93 * (csv's) 94 95 Elf: 96 * agrees agents are good starting focus 97 * working wherever is fine as long as people can find it 98 * questions why to do csv's 99 * if have api, don't get stale like csv's 100 * API better than csv files 101 * API fresh 102 * csv stale 103 104 Mikey: 105 * Advantage of csv: 106 * familiar 107 * easy to work in spreadsheets 108 * easier to relate to 109 110 Lynn: 111 * start discussion in Hylo, see what they think 112 * Need agents to do anything. 113 114 Mikey: proposes work toward import export profiles and memberships. 115 * Lynn: ok 116 * Bob.ok 117 * elf: API better 118 * Mikey: csv lower hanging fruit 119 * admins already syncing memberships all over the place 120 121 Bob: 122 * separate issue of focus, where everybody agrees on agents and membership, 123 from issue of format. 124 125 Lynn: 126 * let's discuss format with Chloe, Edward and Connor 127 * agrees with elf's concerns, but any experience will be good 128 129 Mikey: 130 * succeed in something that is interop. Longer it takes, people think it's too far away. 131 * Do something easy. 132 133 Lynn asks Paul, what agenda items would help you fit in? 134 Paul says: 135 * challenging to work out what goals are, what are priorities 136 * Make more clear. 137 138 Lynn: 139 * goal is to balance lots of discussion and trying to make bits of things work 140 * roadmap meanders as the work leads us 141 142 Mikey: 143 * round trips, one app producing data, another consuming, agents and relationships first 144 * We're also spreading ourselves over everything else at the same time. 145 146 Lynn: 147 * if we were to design a workflow around your use cases, which have exchanges and processes 148 also the recycling thing 149 * Discuss, model, those use cases 150 * elfish models 151 * then nail down some of the vocabulary 152 153 Paul: 154 * yes. VF seems very general, need to apply to particular circumstances. 155 * wd be useful to understand model. 156 * Does it align? 157 158 Bob + Lynn: yes. 159 160 Lynn: 161 * we like to work with use cases. 162 * These are challenging. 163 * Which is good. 164 165 elf: 166 * likes the use cases, well described 167 * agents and groups and online workspaces 168 * recycle group uses mailing list or forum or loomio or hylo group 169 * I see agents and online workspaces 170 * clarify agents and resources and online workspaces 171 172 Lynn: 173 * perfect example to refining use cases, teasing out definitional issues (like online workspaces) 174 * Start issue for each use case 175 * Paul: break out into separate files 176 * Bob: one issue per file to work on. 177 178 Mikey: 179 * leads into nailing down and documenting our workflow 180 * helping people to get oriented 181 * point to our current flow, how you can plug in 182 183 Lynn: 184 * I like use cases and then diving into them. 185 * elf's bus trip helps. 186 * I'll document that use-case oriennted flow. 187 188 elf: newcomers can also start by reading existing use cases and then writing their own, if none of the others fit. 189 190 Mikey: 191 * might also help with talking to Hylo 192 * started writing a document about integrating loomio with hylo 193 * immedately jumped to solutions 194 * no use cases 195 * use cases would ground the disucssions better 196 197 elfish model = those rdf things that elf does 198 * Lynn is working on them 199 200 * elf talks about SoLiD 201 * elf will document what is happening over there, we may be able to use some of that 202 203 Mikey: 204 * nailing down use-case oriented workflow is coming together 205 * short term maybe interim proposal to import export profiles and memnberships 206 207 checkout: 208 209 Mikey: 210 * appreciate that this project has long-term rhythm that I can come in and out 211 * And we are making consistent progress 212 213 Lynn: i'll start documenting use case focused work flow 214 215 Bob will document running code and round trips 216 and plug in on Paul's use cases 217 218 Lynn withdraws existing vocab item 219 220 elf: Solid work will clarify existing vocab questions 221 so we don't need to worry too much 222 223 Lynn: wants to reuse what we can. 224 225 Bob: 226 * liked the meeting 227 * like balance of getting organized and not having too much ceremony 228 * like use case focus 229 * running code good 230 * will doc what we think this stuff will be used for 231 232 Lynn: 233 * liked the meeting too, 234 * Paul, contribute as you want, and let us know if we become hard to work with. 235 236 Paul: good feedback, hope to continue. Getting a sense of how vf works 237 238 elf: 239 * glad to see Paul here, see him online in a lot of places 240 * Looking forward to Lynn's transfer work. 241 * Likes Hylo conversations. Thinks maybe people just need to play around with things for awhile, try out difffernet things, 242 before settling on existing patterns. 243 * Will be busy the next few weeks. 244 245 Lynn: food network will be useful to bring into vf, we all have experience. 246 247 Paul: been contirbuting on UK food netwroks. Interesting in taxonomy and models, and so are we. 248 249 elf: will see more food platforms in Berlin