dezentrale_deliberate_unclarity (4097B)
1 [9:28:19 AM]Chris : 2 we would like to see how far we can get without starting to track hours, like in the world out there 3 that we are trying to escape from (or some of us) 4 [9:47:24 AM]Bob Haugen: 5 I was asking in terms of tracking percentage of meals cooked vs percentage of cooking done. 6 I think needs to be cooking done. 7 [9:48:00 AM]Chris : 8 percentage of cooking done, is what we are thinking currently 9 [9:48:18 AM]Lynn Foster: 10 ok let's try it out 11 [9:48:23 AM]Chris : 12 and tracking amount of meals served seperately 13 [9:54:22 AM]Bob Haugen: 14 How do the ingredients get tracked now? and how do you think you want to track them in OCP? 15 [9:54:51 AM]Chris : 16 we could track them like the base expenses 17 it feels wrong to have it in the same "base cost categorie, but I can't think of why it should be different 18 [10:03:52 AM]Bob Haugen: 19 Would you want to track the consumption of ingredients and other inputs in any detail? Or just that 20 somebody bought something for the collective for X amount of money and you don't care what? 21 [10:04:44 AM]Chris : 22 I think we should start as generic as possible and get more detailed only when needed 23 at the beginning we could try not to care 24 [10:10:55 AM]Lynn Foster: 25 so let me try to summarize: 26 - week of meals 27 - cooking % contribution (maybe separate, maybe goes into week of meals) 28 - purchase contributions from people's pockets 29 - purchases by the collective 30 [10:26:14 AM]Bob Haugen: 31 is cleaning a percentage of the week's cleaning, too? 32 [10:26:19 AM]Chris : 33 yes 34 [11:42:49 AM]Lynn Foster: 35 so bob and i on our walk couldn't think of a clean way to do the cooking and cleaning as all exchanges - 36 so we're back to a process that creates x meals in a week, and then some type of exchange where people 37 use x % of the meal offerings 38 [11:44:34 AM]Bob Haugen: 39 Could have one weekly collective work process with cooking and cleaning both as percentages 40 [11:44:39 AM]Chris : 41 or can we track two things, the cooking and the amoutn of meals, separately 42 ? 43 [11:44:51 AM]Bob Haugen: 44 all on one page, along with the number of meals served 45 [11:45:50 AM]Lynn Foster: 46 well, you could create the process for the next week during the meeting, and people can enter whenever they want 47 [11:46:04 AM]Bob Haugen: 48 Put one collective work process out for every week 49 people can enter their percentages when they know them 50 [11:46:17 AM]Chris : 51 ok, let's try it that way 52 ok 53 [11:46:30 AM]Bob Haugen: 54 somebody can enter the number of meals served 55 the eating is a little hazier for me 56 but all of that other stuff can go on one page 57 [11:47:14 AM]Chris : 58 ok, sounds like what we would be looking for as our current ideal vision 59 11:47:54 AM]Bob Haugen: 60 everything else, the cooking, cleaning and meals served, all on one page 61 we're still thinking about the eating 62 but I can try an experiment later today in testocp and you can look at it 63 [11:48:39 AM]Chris : 64 the eating doesn't need to be related, I guess, as funny as it sounds 65 it is a separate revenue, basically 66 [11:49:24 AM]Lynn Foster: 67 the eating will be related because the exchange will track back to the process that created the weekly meals 68 [11:49:29 AM]Bob Haugen: 69 the eating can be related to the meals output as an exchnge 70 [11:49:33 AM]Lynn Foster: 71 process then exchange, related 72 [11:49:42 AM]Bob Haugen: 73 yes, what Lynn said 74 [11:51:38 AM]Lynn Foster: 75 is food included in the payment for a room? 76 [11:51:41 AM]Chris : 77 it is not inlcuded 78 [11:51:55 AM]Bob Haugen: 79 ok,, so it is paid for? 80 [11:52:05 AM]Chris : 81 yes 82 [11:52:16 AM]Bob Haugen: 83 then it's an exchange, economically 84 all fits (I think) 85 11:53:56 AM]Mario: 86 what do you see as cooking? breakfast, lunch, dinner? So three meals a day? 87 [11:54:25 AM]Chris : 88 doesn't matter, because we do percentages 89 [11:54:32 AM]Lynn Foster: 90 > Chris 91 > either as a contribution that they make at some point 92 could be either work or financial contribution? 93 [11:54:36 AM]Chris : 94 basically, this is left deliberately unclear 95 [11:55:11 AM]Bob Haugen: 96 I am warming up to the deliberate unclarity 97 [11:55:24 AM]Lynn Foster: 98 :smile: 99 [11:55:33 AM]Bob Haugen: 100 different attitude than other groups we've worked with 101 102 103